This is a companion discussion topic for the original entry at https://neat.tube/w/49uEJbcxHT2pNkjmtneJzR
I don’t like the idea of needing to install an extension to use the service on desktop instead of having a webapp or dedicated desktop application. More extensions just means more unique fingerprint and larger attack surface, not to mention using up more system resources in the background.
Proton needs to stop pushing out new services that aren’t fully fleshed out. The idea of being ‘all-in on the Proton ecosystem’ just sounds to me like Proton is trying to imitate how people often use Google for everything. I think they’re shooting themselves in the foot here.
I wouldn’t have a reason to recommend this over Bitwarden. The UI does look great though.
A lot of the Proton users came from Google, they left Google because of the privacy issues, they didn’t leave because they were unhappy with the Google products.
There are many Proton users that want Proton to imitate Google, they want Proton to be a simple solution to the privacy issue. There are not a lot of people who enjoy researching every single online service before making a purchase, they just want Proton to be a drop-in replacement.
To put it another way, the market for privacy-respecting services is diverse. Some people want Google-but-private. Others want to be their own IT departments. Much like threat modeling, all of these are valid desires to have. Proton is solidly going after the people who want to buy into a single ecosystem, and to be honest I’d like to take a dip… once they flesh out Proton Drive more, lol.
I enjoyed the video although I was expecting you to talk about pricing.
Seems somewhat expensive to me if you remove the discount that’s currently running.
I just watched Henry’s video about it and beside if anyone want’s to be part of Proton’s ecosystem, I still don’t get what’s unique about it. Like are they adding any features in the future that something like Bitwarden doesn’t have?
The lack of folders is probably the biggest downside to me I like having all my stuff organized. That feauture not being there seems to tell me that this is the minimum viable product. Proton already has folder code that they have written for their email and drive services, sure it would need some modification to fit this new service, so hopefully it is added soon.
I’m glad that it exists though competition in any space is usually a good thing.
Just a quick edit, the integration with simplelogin is cool and that would have taken up dev time. I just think it could have folders too.
I’m not sure I entirely understand but you can have multiple vaults in Proton Pass, a vault in this case is basically a ‘folder’.
Feature parity is my biggest complaint with Proton products. It’s been years and I’m still waiting for a proper VPN client for Linux. I’m curious to see if things are different now because they decided to go the browser extension route. They still have to maintain a separate Android and iOS app, so I guess time will tell.
Based on the video I thought there were no folders If the vaults do actually work like folders then nevermind what I said.
I believe it may be a paid feature don’t quote me on that though
Hey, are you aware of the prerelease Linux client, should solve some of the bugs that were present in the stable client. Although it is pretty basic it actually connects properly now and doesn’t have a memory leak
Actually I wasn’t. Thank you so much for bringing it to my attention! I’m definitely gonna try it.
It’s probably worth noting that Proton Pass comes with SimpleLogin Premium features, which competing products don’t offer. And with the discount it’s actually cheaper than SimpleLogin, which means existing SimpleLogin Premium users might find it worth switching to.
Also its regular annual price of $48/year is still not much more than SimpleLogin Premium, in the price realm of paying for both a password manager and an email aliasing service, which many people do. Email aliasing features seem like pretty much the only reason to pay for Proton Pass, otherwise the free plan is fairly generous.
Good point I hadn’t thought of that, I suppose the current deal is quite a good deal especially if it’s a lifetime deal which it appears to be.
I get the feeling that the SimpleLogin website and service might be discontinued and the features will just be available in Proton Pass. That’s the impression I have been getting from reading here:
When I first read “lifetime” I thought they were offering a promo where you could pay once and use it for life, but it’s just a lifetime discount
Still, definitely a solid deal yes. Not sure if I’d really push it after the deal ends, but who knows, maybe they’ll keep improving it.
I was just wondering about this myself. I hope not, since Proton Pass only appears to allow you to forward to your Proton account’s mailbox instead of any email address.
I’m trying to find out whether the new Proton Pass comes with a full SimpleLogin Premium subscription. If anyone buys the standalone Proton Pass subscription and doesn’t have SimpleLogin Premium (or Proton Mail Plus) already, try signing in to Login | SimpleLogin with your Proton Pass account and let me know
You can get Hide My Email with iCloud+ for less than $/€/£ 1 per month, and use it with iCloud Keychain. I am not sure if proton intend to compete with that. Keychain is barely a password manager. It lacks a dedicated app, instead it is hidden in settings.
One of the advantage of Hide My Email is that it uses @icloud.com tld. Whereas Proton seems to be using @passmail.com tld which can be easily blacklisted (surprised as to why proton didn’t go with @proton.me for alias email addresses). However, proton alias email is more customisable compare to hide my email address.
Probably not, since iCloud+ is not a cross-platform solution. There’s a huge advantage to using external services like Proton Pass, Bitwarden, etc. to avoid OS/browser vendor lock-in, which is why I don’t recommend people use OS or browser password managers.
It is a shame that Proton didn’t go the
@proton.me route with their aliases. That definitely is a big advantage of iCloud’s approach, and it’d really be great if other email vendors got on board with aliasing on common domains to make domain blocking a thing of the past.
You can use the iCloud+ website for most features. Private Relay is the only feature limited to Apple Platforms.
AFAIK most people use iCloud+ for storage. Private Relay, Hide My Email and Custom Domains were added recently, and doubt most people even know they exist.
Apple offers chrome extension and a dedicated app for windows designed for iCloud keychain.
Using any password managers like Bitwarden, 1Passwords, Keychain, Keypass, Proton Pass or any Browser/OS based system is better than not using one.
I do think it is important to start with whatever frictionless is for you and find enjoy/effortless to use, and not to discourage because “OS/browser vendor lock-in”. Keychain and browser based passwords managers offer import/export passwords, ensuring seamless transition without any lock-ins.
I am waiting for the day we don’t have to remember any passwords or use password managers .
I tried it. It does what it needs to do, but no native desktop client is an absolute dealbreaker for me. UI is stunning though.