The founder of Standard Notes (Mo Bitar) leaves Proton

He apparently made the announcement 2 weeks ago via his Twitter account, but most of the privacy community seems to be catching wind of it only now.

I can’t help wonder what happened. On the surface, it seems like an amicable departure, but the fact that neither Andy Yen nor Proton have said anything publicly about it is really weird and suspicious. It’s also surprising that Mo didn’t stay until Standard Notes was actually integrated into Proton’s suite of products. It’s been over a year, and that has yet to happen.

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It sounds like he’s moving on to a new project. This is speculation, but maybe he had been doing Standard Notes for so long that he wanted to find a way to get out of it. Now Proton’s management is good enough that he feels comfortable finally leaving to make a Slack competitor. Without more details I wouldn’t read more into it, but good catch for sure!

If anything it makes me think that it’s more likely that Standard Notes will integrate into the Proton ecosystem eventually.

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Founders and CEOs probably find it hard to transition to being an employee on what was once their own project/company.

I wouldn’t read too much into this.

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So I just read through the last couple months of his X feed. Some things I picked up on:

  1. He regretted hiring employees and adding complexity to Standard Notes as the additional hefty expenses of paying other developers meant they needed to increase revenue to stay profitable, which was difficult to do. The extra complexity also meant he couldn’t return to a single person project since it was too much to maintain himself. So, selling to a larger company was that only way to escape.
  2. He had lots of long term burnout from the work while not seeing revenue growth. He was originally considering selling because of this burnout, but was indecisive about it. The second guessing and delay apparently led to Proton shaving off $500k from their buyout offer, but he still acknowledges that he did not regret selling.
  3. He seems to have continued to have experienced burnout at Proton as well as an existential crisis, questioning if he would ever accomplish anything else in his life besides Standard Notes. He seemed to be wrestling this a lot, desiring to have the mindset of a 20 something year old developer, despite acknowledging that he is 35 with a wife, a kid, and extra “baggage.”
  4. He appears to follow a lot of go-getter tech/entrepreneur accounts on X and retweets/replies to them semi-often. Seems like stepping away from Standard Notes was something he was mentally sitting on for a long time and was simply looking for a new idea to work on before he did. (He’s working on a slack alternative).
  5. Acknowledges that there is a competitive market of high quality note taking apps now and the team at Proton has it taken care of.
  6. Possibly taken out of context, but he also seems to be having privacy fatigue. He has multiple tweets complaining about how privacy is getting in the way of his daily life and that trying to protect specific sensitive personal information is a pointless endeavor. Kind of an odd take for someone who created a privacy focused note taking app that sold to and worked for Proton.
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I thought you meant he deleted his Proton account or something. Felt like drama.

I didn’t know he worked at Proton after selling Standard Notes. Honestly this just feels like life. As @ZenByte described, the man just wants to move to move on with his life. I can feel him to be honest. I don’t think there’s anything fancy behind the scenes.

As for Proton not saying anything, I don’t think there’s anything special about it either. They wouldn’t make an official announcement everytime an employee comes and go. Sure, he’s maybe a special case, but they probably felt his own announcement was enough.

I hope his Slack alternative is cool though. I’ve been waiting for Revolt to be an actual alternative to Discord and been eyeing Slack as one as well. Alas, the divide between “Working” and “Gaming” seems to force people into one app or the other when in reality they’re pretty much the same. If he has privacy fatigue though I doubt he will put a focus on it on this new app. We’ll see.

I also hope this means Standard Notes will finally be fully integrated with the Proton ecosystem (and added for free to current and future Unlimited users…)

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If he has privacy fatigue though I doubt he will put a focus on it on this new app. We’ll see.

He said in another tweet that he’s dropping end-to-end encryption for it since it’s too much work. So, possibly not the best sign.

It also appears to be a B2B focused app. His justification was that institutions could self-host it if they bother to care about privacy. So, i have large doubts it will be a Discord alternative you’re looking for.

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Well, I’ll wait for Revolt to finally implement E2EE and take off then. I just hope it won’t take them 10 years.

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Why I don’t see his postings without account?

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I gotchu :smiling_face_with_sunglasses:

Link not working at me:

I guess they are blocking VPN

Just yesterday, I visited a YouTuber’s Bluesky page, and it said that he doesn’t allow anyone to see his account unless they are logged into Bluesky too. I didn’t know that was a feature, but perhaps Twitter has that feature too.

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https://xcancel.com/moughxyz

Nitter.net had been dead for a while. Xcancel still works.

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Yeah he seems like a very thoughtful person and was recently having some sort of an existential crisis, questioning his atheistic world view and such. He made some blog posts about it, that he seems to have taken down since then (https://listed.to/@mo). I’d also speculate that he wanted a fresh start, and perhaps this was the plan all along. I hope he’ll find what he’s looking for!

This could also partially explain why SN got basically abandoned since the Proton acquirement.

Standard Notes is one of my favourite pieces of software and has been for years. It’s essential to my workflow. It’s a great achievement!

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FULL INTEGRATION MIGHT TAKE A LONG TIME

You say that as if that was in question before. I don’t think it is, but it’s clearly taking them longer than Simple Login. Not to mention the fact that Simple Login is not fully integrated into Proton.

Given the current situation with Simple Login and Standard Notes, I personally do not want to see Proton acquire another company, until they can prove they can fully integrate the ones they’ve already absorbed.

SIMPLE LOGIN’S FOUNDER DIDN’T SEEM TO HAVE THAT PROBLEM

I hear you, but that’s not what we saw with Son Nguyen Kim, the French founder of Simple Login who has published numerous blog posts on Proton’s website about a variety of products, the last one being 2 weeks ago for the announcement of Proton Authenticator. We’ve seen nothing like that from Mo.

Obviously, people have different personalities, so it doesn’t necessarily mean that something went wrong, but still, I find it curious.

Do you mean complexity within the app or within the company?

SN DEFINITELY NEEDS MORE FEATURES

One of SN’s core values is to remain simple, and I believe that even with the features they’ve added, that remains the case.

However, I strongly suspect that Proton will make SN more complex to compete with other apps. IMHO, they have to, but they also can’t betray current users who prefer the simplicity. My hope is that they find a way to integrate a simple mode, which is what SN is like now and complex mode, that users can switch to.

MO BITAR IS NOT JUST ANY EMPLOYEE

If Proton was a bigger company, or SN a more popular app, I have little doubt that tech news outlets would have reported on it. When the founder of a company you absorbed leaves, it is not trivial news. It’s been over a month and almost no one is aware of this, in great part because Proton decided not to communicate about it.

On its own, Mo leaving is not necessarily alarming news, but when you combine it with the fact that SN has yet to be integrated into Proton after a year, that suggests to me that SN is perhaps slowly dying.

MY EXPERIENCE

I have been using SN for years. When Notesnook came out, I was so impressed with it that I became a paying subscriber. I paid for both SN & Notesnook simultaneously, and continue to do so. However, something has changed in the last couple of months for me.

Even though I was impressed with Notesnook, for years, I still used SN way more because it was faster. It still is. I used SN literally every day, and Notesnook, maybe once a month. That has changed. I now use Notesnook almost every day, and SN just once a week. Notesnook had a major upgrade recently that compelled me to use it more.

That is obviously just my experience.

STANDARD NOTE’S COMPETITIVENESS IS WANING

I hope so, too. That said, Proton will have to bring some major innovations to attract new users. Especially if they want the media to report on the integration to give it some publicity. Because right now, as a standalone product, SN is not the best note-taking app in the E2EE FOSS market. It’s good, but Notesnook is IMO, significantly better. In addition, Notesnooks is very competitive when you compare it to proprietary non-E2EE apps. SN, IMO, is not.

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Yeah to be honest, I wanted to try Notesnook, but I didn’t want yet another (paid) account if the service was to be made available at some point with Proton.

I tried Joplin a little, but it’s not exactly what I was looking for. So for now, I’m still taking notes in my Signal account, and still waiting for Proton to do something.

You do realize that both Notesnook and Standard Notes have free versions, right? Notesnook free version is quite rich. Neither Notesnook nor SN limit the number of devices you can sync them too. If you haven’t tried it yet, I highly recommend it. I’m sure it’s better than Signal.

True but I wasn’t in a rush. I tried Joplin only because it was also EU-based and I try to support EU-based tech companies as much as I can as well.

Obviously Signal is not, but I’ve been using it for years, so when I finally move to a new notes app, I want it to be definitive.

I can appreciate that.

Someone shared this on PG, so thought I’d shared it here too:

I haven’t watched it yet, but I intend to.

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