Supporting future Android versions is becoming harder for GrapheneOS

Hi,

The news comes from their official X account.

Unfortunately, Android has made changes which will make it much harder for us to port to Android 16 and future releases. It will also make adding support for new Pixels much more difficult. We’re likely going to need to focus on making GrapheneOS devices sooner than we expected.

This is some really bad news for the privacy and security focused Android OS. I don’t know if this is a Graphene specific problem or it will also impact others custom ROM such as CalyxOS.

They think this situation is a result from the loosing anti trust case Google is battling against that would require them to split from Android.

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They said harder, not impossible. This is not news to really worry about just yet. Nothing is in the users’ control. Only Google, Android, and GrapheneOS can do what they can and will.

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Their earlier post today, which they later deleted, painted a more grim image of the situation. Hopefully they are able to sort things out.

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I see. I don’t understand all the esoteric technical details but I guess we’ll have to wait and see what’s what and why and how. I’m sure they’ll do all they can. I recently moved away from iOS and it’d be shame to go back, to say the very least.

But all that said and shared, can’t Google simply disable Graphene from doing all that it is doing or can do with the AOSP? They’ve had that power for a long time, no?

There could be “open hardware” phone for use by everyone, but made by another team to share workload. Example: Liberux Linux phone is going to be expensive! - #11 by rmd

True, but it would have to be a new device that is specifically geared to meet the security requirements of GrapheneOS

Really sad things happening.

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That seems to be a reasonable explanation. If they have to give up Android, why keep intertwining Pixel development with AOSP?

Quite the irony that many folks who use and develop GOS were probably the same cheering for that anti-trust case against Google…

This is literally illegal. The Linux kernel is licensed under GPL, which requires all distributed modifications of it to be distributed with full source code. The Linux kernel running under the Pixel is not an exception, and they just removed source code of their modifications, which isn’t allowed.

But it’s Google, they are above the law

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So now it turns out to be a proprietary one right now? :thinking:

Just the kernel is GPL, the rest is not. It’s a similar situation to Konqueror which is/was GPL but Safari and Chrome and Edge are proprietary because all the code they add later is not under GPL.

That would ultimately be decided by a jury. Though I don’t think anyone’s going to sue Google

Discussion GrapheneOS forum AOSP and Pixel changes:

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GrapheneOS is in talks with a couple of vendors to have a GOS phone manufactured.

From Bluesky:



‪GrapheneOS‬ ‪@grapheneos.org‬

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“We’re going to be moving forward under the expectation that future Pixel devices may not meet the requirements to run GrapheneOS (grapheneos.org/faq#future-d…) and may not support using another OS. We’ve been in talks with a couple OEMs about making devices and what it would cost.”

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Just to add to this further this applies to all custom operating systems for Google Pixels not just GrapheneOS.

It was also confirmed by the General Manager of the Android platform that AOSP won’t be going anywhere despite the Pixel build trees being missing for the Android 16 release.

Seang Chau@seangchau

Jun 12

We’re seeing some speculation that AOSP is being discontinued. To be clear, AOSP is NOT going away. AOSP was built on the foundation of being an open platform for device implementations, SoC vendors, and instruction set architectures. AOSP needs a reference target that is flexible, configurable, and affordable – independent of any particular hardware, including those from Google. For years, developers have been building Cuttlefish (available on GitHub as the reference device for AOSP) and GSI targets from source. We continue to make those available for testing and development purposes.

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From which Matrix room was this sourced? The GrapheneOS General room? I want to follow-up on it with a reply wherever you found it.

I don’t know because I took this from a post in the Privacy Guides forum, but I can’t find it anymore.

and let’s calm down because Graphene officially stated that they will still be developing it, it will just be a bit harder, in fact as we speak Android 16 version of GrapheneOS is on Beta.

And we will see what the news will be with their OEM collab thingy they’ve been hinting at.

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I’m on Graphene OS 16 and it is business as usual.

I don’t even notice anything different, to be honest.

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