I have the regular PinePhone - not a great user experience. This product looks great but at most extreme discount it’s already 1300 euros and without discounts over 2000. That’s too expensive for me. Also, I don’t see discussion about installing different Linux mobile operating systems on the device. It looks like it is designed only with their own OS in mind, LiberuxOS.
I would love a relatively affordable Linux phone that can do the basics well, but I don’t think it exists yet.
Best we have is Pixel 8a to use with GOS (that still has 6+ years of life left in it). So, the cost of the phone ends up easily being less than $100 a year. And given how much we actually use our phones, I’d say that’s as affordable as it gets with all the privacy and security too.
I get it.. I would love Linux on mobile too. But the industry has not matured enough for this to become a thing. I wish one day it does. But it requires a lot of money with minimal monetizing avenues so that’s a natural impediment.
I love they choisen to manufacture in EU (despite higher price). EU could subsidise manufacturing of this device, as it is European product for european tech independence. I was watching videos about American one Purism– Liberty Phone The high price is all because of higher wages in America. So you basically need to subsidise wages to make device affordable.
On the downside, it seems it includes no features I was asking for on my feedback For example, I asked “the IMU (accelerometer, gyroscope, magnetometer)” to disable easier way, but they are still with their original design. It is proven these sensors are used as microphone, aspecially in AI age with advanced capabilities - it does not make sense to have them always on when I can live without them. There could be a forum for them to explain their design choices or something.
They could also publish their detail designs to understand the security aspects of the phone, and people who care about security like from GrapheneOS team could fact-check if this device is really secure!
(GrapheneOS confrontational approach is highly questionable to say mildly, but they insights about security are gold).
Its unclear what problem are they solving for me with this product.
Making a secure phone? Is it really secure?
Making a private phone? does privacy exist without security?
Manufacturing in EU as much as possible
Making a linux phone - but who care about that if it does not solve a real problem?
Is Android like GrapheneOS installable? No
How easy is to install & test other Linux OSes other when their default for regular user❔
I was very exited about this phone, but will think thoroughly if to make such huge investment and will try to understand sufficiently first how it works.
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All I’ll add here is I stumbled on this project too before seeing this thread and way too early for me to treat seriously. Nowhere near hitting its crowdfunding goal, and even if it does it’s still a toss-up if we’ll ever see the device. I think until there’s a device there’s no reason to hypothesize the privacy & security of it. We can cheer them on, if you’re personally interested then feel free to put forward your own cash, and then we can see what the results are if the device is launched
For example, I asked “the IMU (accelerometer, gyroscope, magnetometer)” to disable easier way, but they are still with their original design. It is proven these sensors are used as microphone, aspecially in AI age with advanced capabilities - it does not make sense to have them always on when I can live without them. There could be a forum for them to explain their design choices or something.
