Is the Unplugged phone any good?

Dan Murphy Director of Business Operations for Brave just posted this.

https://x.com/heydanmurphy/status/1859767067723096430?s=46

Then these are some comments from Unplugged:

https://x.com/weare_unplugged/status/1859811198021271593?s=46

https://x.com/weare_unplugged/status/1859814012554445171?s=46

https://x.com/weare_unplugged/status/1859708484394287422?s=46

As a Pixel 8 user who’s not a fan of the bloat on my homescreen, especially since there are some Google apps that I can’t delete, I’m thinking about getting the Unplugged phone for home use.

Edit: Hey, before anyone suggests installing a custom ROM, I can’t do that because I bought my Pixel 8 from Verizon. So, I can’t unlock the OEM to unlock the bootloader. I spent hours yesterday trying to find a way to, but unfortunately, I didn’t succeed.

Do not go anywhere near this. It’s from Erik Prince and is a complete scam.

For more info:

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Even without that, not having a defined chipset in the specs sheet already gives me pause
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One issue I have with article is just below if you keep reading:

While none of the experts I spoke with had yet been able to test the phone or read its code, because the company hasn’t provided access, the evidence available suggests Unplugged will fall wildly short of what’s promised.

So, they are kind of baseless claims at that point. As the experts in the article haven’t even tested it. Also, it is a new company, and they of course have to prove themselves.

It appears that this article may be biased because the audience Unplugged is attempting to appeal to is conservative.

“MIT Technology Review obtained Prince’s investor presentation for the “RedPill Phone,” which promises more than it could possibly deliver.”

As they themselves admit, they “obtained Prince’s investor presentation” instead of the phone. Consequently, it’s evident that they didn’t test the phone or review it. This raises questions about the authenticity of the coverage or whether it’s merely biased.

When it comes to Erik Prince, I don’t see anything substantial enough to warrant a complete and utter disdain for the device solely because of his involvement.

But of course I will still keep my skepticism towards the device because of how new it is. Maybe with time more of its motives will be revealed.

We should not support GPL Violaters

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The issue is that the Unplugged marketing material promises things that are red flag fluff and outright nonsense.

It claims “government grade encryption” which is a silly statement and usually associated with sketchy VPNs.

Additionally it claims to be “impenetrable” which is an impossible claim, ruining any credibility.

As for partisanship, I will say that any product marketed through a niche in-group is often trying to exploit the trust of the members of that group to sell them something.

I’ll avoid derailing further discussion of Erik Prince. People can do a quick google on that if they’re interested.

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I do agree with that, as they state on their website that their OS stops data breaches.

LibertOS stops data breaches, offers fast and precise privacy controls, and includes a quick-access side-button for settings.

Which is an absurd claim. Like what?

I believe I may have witnessed Proton employing that marketing strategy in the past, but I could be mistaken. Could have been ExpressVPN or WeVPN (RIP). As a marketing claim, it doesn’t particularly bother me. I think it’s merely an attempt to appeal to non-technical individuals.

I must respectfully disagree with that assertion. Simply because a company manufactures a phone for a group they anticipate purchasing it does not constitute exploitation; rather, it represents the essence of running a business. Similarly, when privacy companies assert that Google sells personal data, they are mistaken. So, is that exploitation? While it is true that Google collects and utilizes data for its own advertising network and is not private, the fact is that Google does not engage in the sale of personal information.

How We Handle Ads, Funding, and Data Security - Google - About Google.

We don’t sell your personal information to anyone

We use your personal information to make our products more helpful to you. It’s how we can autocomplete your searches, get you home faster with Maps, or show you more useful ads based on your interests. But we never sell your personal information to anyone and you can use many of our products without signing in or saving any personal information at all.

When we show ads, advertisers pay us either for the placement of an ad – like a banner at the top of a web page – or for how an ad actually performs – like when someone clicks on it. Advertisers do not pay us for personal information, such as your name or email, and we never share that information with advertisers, unless you ask us to. We also never use your emails, documents, photos, or sensitive information like race, religion, or sexual orientation, to personalize ads to you. We share reports with our advertisers to help them understand the performance of their ads, but we do so without revealing any of your personal information. At every point in the process of showing you ads, we keep your personal information protected with industry-leading security technologies.

The simplest way to explain this is:

-Google collects your data.
-They categorize you based on your interests.
-Google bids this categorization (not personal data) to the highest ad bidder.
-Your name, personal information, etc., is never exposed during this process.
-How companies obtain this personal data is through third-party cookies.
-As when you are signed into Google or other accounts, they can access your data and create a profile on you because of third party cookies.

That is why Google proposed Privacy Sandbox so that they would eradicate third-party cookies and improve third-party privacy. The only issue with that is Google would have been the sole owner of personal data, and data brokers would have gone out of business, making Google an even bigger monopoly. We all know how that went. As the EU blocked it because of antitrust concerns.

I still need to conduct more research on him. However, from his Wikipedia page, I didn’t find anything that raised many red flags (except for his affiliation as a chairman for a company in Hong Kong). Nevertheless, my opinion could change with further research.

But from all the controversy surrounding this company, I have decided not to get this phone.

Thanks for the information!

You made a good first choice with a Pixel, its unfortunate it’s a Verizon version, I made that mistake once also. If I were in your shoes I’d return, sell, or trade it for a non-Verizon/unlocked version. Or if you were already willing to spend money on a Freedom Redpill/UP phone, why not devote that money towards the right Pixel, and install GrapheneOS. It’ll be better, less likely to be a scam or honeypot, and it’ll be cheaper, and actually open source.


Nothing inspires trust and confidence like a corrupt billionaire mercenary (who’s company is most famous for war crimes and human rights abuses in Iraq, and who was last in the news for a failed attempt to set up a secret back-channel between Trump and Putin) selling a vaguely defined but over hyped closed-source “redpill phone”…


If you are so quick to dismiss a well sourced article from the MIT Technology Review out of hand, because they expressed reasonable skepticism about the many extravagant and technically unrealistic and impossible claims the company made in their own words, in their own pitch to investors, what’s the point of asking here on Techlore? MIT is one of the preeminent Universities in the world when it comes to Engineering, Science, and Technology. We are randoms on the internet.

If you don’t consider MIT Tech Review’s perspective valid because they don’t possess the the physical device, you shouldn’t trust us either, and you absolutely shouldn’t trust Eric Prince who has provided no proof for his companies wild claims and has a very sketchy past. Extreme claims demand a high burden of proof. Not the other way around.

Unplugged is attempting to appeal to [conservatives]

Good tech doesn’t need to justify itself on the basis of a specific political ideology or conspiracy, and definitely doesn’t need to hide/keep secret the things that supposedly make it good.

There have been a number of these “freedom phone” type gimmicks marketed towards non-technical but politically extreme and/or conspiratorial audiences. So far all have either been scams, gimmicks, or rebrands of some other pre-existing mediocre device and OS, and have relied on misinforming non-technical users instead of offering technical protections against real threats. So far they’ve been all hype no substance, most that I’ve seen have just been short lived money making schemes taking advantage of one of the most vulnerable/gullible parts of the population, by preying on pre-existing biases, and then disappearing into obscurity. Maybe it’ll be something different this time around, but the skepticism is understandable.

Also note: The article is from August 2022, the phone’s release date was supposedly November 2022. If the phone made it to market, and was a serious product, there should be more info available about it by now.

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I had already come to the conclusion that this company has too much controversy and that I didn’t want the phone. So I was already thinking this approach.

I’m expressing my skepticism about the claims made in the article. The article appears to be biased because of the device being marketed to conservatives and of the recent other phones like the freedom phone like you mentioned. As an independent, I strive to approach information critically and avoid falling for political biases or bad faith opinions.

MIT didn’t own or possess the hardware or software necessary to make any comprehensive claims about the device, nor did their experts.

While none of the experts I spoke with had yet been able to test the phone or read its code, because the company hasn’t provided access, the evidence available suggests Unplugged will fall wildly short of what’s promised.

Despite this, they attempted to present investor pitches from Unplugged as factual evidence for their speculative hypotheses about the hardware and software.

Just look how they put “promises more than it could possibly deliver”. They have not even touched the hardware and are already making negative statements without any facts of knowing the device’s capabilities at that time of writing the article.

“MIT Technology Review obtained Prince’s investor presentation for the “RedPill Phone,” which promises more than it could possibly deliver.”

It’s true that Unplugged continued with some of this investor marketing approach even after releasing the phone. However, there was no way to determine Unplugged’s strategy before their launch or whether they would alter their ideas for marketing after launch. Even then MIT then got information from an Unplugged spokesperson who reiterated that they were going to change their marketing messaging before release.

The selling points of Unplugged’s device, known as the UP Phone, are built on enormous promises of security and privacy that go beyond what any phone can accomplish. Buzzwords like “government-grade encryption” imply some kind of heightened protection, but—as the company never mentions—governments use the same standard encryption as the rest of us. When asked about the phrase by MIT Technology Review, Unplugged acknowledged “this messaging doesn’t resonate well with our community” and said they won’t use it moving forward.

Investor pitches are merely a means to attract investors to a product not the consumer, and I believe MIT knows this. So, to not point this out for the reader is odd.

I also want to emphasize that the article was published before the phone’s launch, so they could not objectively and accurately analyze its hardware. Which is what truly matters, not the marketing hype that Unplugged was trying to make.

At that point, it became evident that the article was more of an opinion piece rather than a total factual piece, even if some of the opinions presented were accurate about the marketing strategy after the fact.

MIT’s well-established reputation doesn’t guarantee objectivity or accuracy. It’s possible for even well-established institutions to be corrupted or present baseless opinions or facts in favor of a particular point. This happens daily, as seen in food studies conducted at Harvard and other institutions.

That’s why you need more than one report to make a factual conclusion about any product or paper. You must be open to hearing both sides, even those considered non-factual. Even experts can make mistakes, and the experts they rely on may also be mistaken. That’s why you don’t need to be an “expert” to see beyond a bubble when things are skewed in favor of a certain idea or philosophy. If you only relied on experts for everything, there would be no progress. Even experts need their egos challenged at times, as they can’t always be right.

Nothing should be taken at face value, even well-established institutions.

So, finally, I’ll just say that the article did have some valid points. I was merely pointing out the parts where I perceived inherent bias and where I didn’t entirely agree with the approach. That is why I said “one issue”. I didn’t say I didn’t agree with some points made. I just didn’t see the sense in me stating them, and that is my mistake. As it seems, you think I didn’t perceive any good out of the article, which is wrong. I just think the opinions were presented in a biased way.

So, to conclude, this is all I can gather: there was no concrete evidence presented regarding the apps, hardware, or software. Which I was really hoping to see from the article. But they were right about the marketing even if it was presented in a bias tone.

Not necessarily true. Everything discussed, created and designed is rooted in a principle, philosophy, or political ideology, which all intertwine. Even if you don’t believe it. However, that’s a rabbit hole I’d rather avoid, as we could discuss it for hours. In my opinion, politics is not a suitable topic for discussion because it’s akin to a sport, and no one truly emerges victorious in the end. Usually, only one team and their ideas prevail, and if you don’t subscribe to them, you’re not considered part of that group.

You could try contacting Verizon and telling them you’re a developer so you need to be able to unlock and relock the bootloader on the device. They might lift the restriction who knows, at least worth a try.

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Thanks for the suggestion. When I was trying to find out if I could unlock my bootloader I came across Verizon’s forums and the support kept saying to everyone that Verizon does not unlock the bootloader under no circumstances because of security.

I could give it a shot. But I doubt they will. As, I have yet to find any forum that said they got the OEM unlocked from Verizon.

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This one article here explains the expert argument really well:

Quotes from the article above

So, why is expertise controversial?

If all this is right, then why isn’t trusting experts always the obvious choice?

It turns out that – surprise – experts are also humans. And humans don’t always use their competencies as well as they could. An expert carpenter might still do slipshod work. Expert researchers might fudge data to get a big grant. Expert physicians might try to speak authoritatively outside their field of expertise (politics, climate science, etc.).

The real trouble with experts is not with expertise itself, but how experts behave. Experts don’t always use their expertise in ways that are helpful to non-experts.

· Sometimes they have a conflict of interest or a political motivation.

· Experts sometimes speak outside their field – a phenomenon called “epistemic trespassing.”

· They may try to tell you things that are not “tell-able,” as when a very successful person tries to give step-by-step advice on how to navigate all the obstacles they handled intuitively.

· Experts may offer advice that doesn’t meet your needs.

In addition to these concerns, some issues get tangled up with political or religious perspectives that make it difficult to know when an expert is really acting like an expert (and trying to help you) or when experts are speaking from their personal political allegiances. This is especially concerning when the issue is time-sensitive, as in the case of pandemic diseases like COVID-19.

Further still, sometimes whole fields of expertise give the wrong answer in a terrible way. Consider the field of medicine. Medical researchers have exploited people of colour, obstetricians have ignored medical decisions from women in labour, pharmaceutical corporations have conspired to increase addiction, and trans patients are routinely stigmatised or refused care. There are lots of reasons to be sceptical about experts. But it’s important to note that those reasons have nothing to do with expertise. The trouble comes because of the power experts have to put people in compromising positions and to use their positions in ways that harm others.

So in short while the MIT article does present factual points but also opinionated accounts of the marketing strategy used by Unplugged.

The hypothetical claims they make about the phones hardware/software gives me pause. As they didn’t test the phone themselves as the experts. Also why didn’t they update the article once the phone came out to then do a whole in-depth review of the device? They updated the article to provide quotes from the Unplugged spokesman but didn’t update it to also do an in-depth review of the phone hardware and software. Seems weird.

On the unplugged website they state here:

How can I trust Unplugged?

Unplugged has hired independent auditors to conduct periodic penetration tests on our platform’s security.

If you’re a cyber expert and still have doubts, we invite you to write to us or apply to participate in our White Hat Program, where you’ll get a chance to win prizes if you are able to detect any vulnerabilities in our hardware or software.

We also give qualified professionals the option to visit us at our R&D offices and perform a white room code review, so that you can see for yourself that we have no back doors.

Now Unplugged could be lying and saving face. But why has MIT not challenged that and then put in the article to show if Unplugged are truthful in their agreement for an audit etc.

These are just some things that gave me pause about the article as a whole.

100% this reply. Please do not buy this.

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I have already decided I wasn’t going to. Given the controversy.

I’ve come across a review of the phone that appears to be unbiased. However, it’s important to remember that you should never take anything at face value.

Quotes from the review:

VINNIE MOSCARITOLO (the reviewer) thoughts on if you should trust him

Not my First Rodeo

So why should you trust what I say about this tech? You shouldn’t. You should always verify everything. I would.

His credentials in tech

I do know a few things about privacy and mobile devices. I have some thirty-plus years of experience in software development focused on privacy. As an OG Cypherpunk, I passionately embraced the motto “Cypherpunks write code.” I’ve had fun (they say) writing hundreds of thousands of lines of code, including an open-source cryptography library, and hold a couple of patents.

I pioneered one of the first secure texting appsdesigned specifically for the iPhone, inventing things as we went along. Before that, I worked on the core cryptography code for PGP Corporation, which produced the first commercial email encryption system.

I even worked at Apple at a time when the government actively opposed the availability of strong cryptography. Despite the political climate deterring Apple’s leadership from prioritizing user privacy, I discreetly organized an annual conference (funded by Apple and held on their campus) and inspired many third-party developers to create their own cryptographic solutions.

Unplugged Phone Tech Specs

Tech Specs

The Unplugged phone has very respectable tech specs. While it isn’t the fastest or the latest model, I think it addresses its market well.

  • Size: 6.49" x 3.03" x 0.34" / 210g
  • Display: FHD+ 1080 x 2400, AMOLED, Gorilla Glass
  • Storage: 256GB + SDCard
  • RAM: 8GB - LPDDR4X
  • CPU: Octa-core:
    1 x Arm Cortex-A78 3.0GHz,
    3 x Arm Cortex-A78 2.6GHz,
    4 x Arm Cortex-A55 2.0GHz
  • Network 2G / 3G / 4G / 5G
  • WIFI 802.11b/g/n/ac/ax 2.4GHz+5GHz
  • Batter: 4300mAh, Wireless Charging
  • Camera: Front: 32MP, Rear: 108 MP (Main) + 8 MP (Wide) + 5MP (Macro)
  • Sensors: Gyro, GPS, Compass, Accelerometer, Proximity, Light, Barometer
  • Biometrics**:** Fingerprint Sensor on the Power Button

Unplugged also made some effort to address supply chain risk.

“we have invested considerably in getting the core components and manufacturing processes out of China. We will be doing even more as we mature and iterate our product”.

What he considers wrong with the device

The Bad and the Ugly.

So far, I have looked at the Unplugged phone as I would any other Android phone. I really like the slickness of the product and the marketing materials; they are top-notch. But the prime differentiator for Unplugged is its claim to champion privacy.

Certainly, tangible items like a physical battery disconnect switch can have their integrity easily verified. Most competent amateur radio operators are capable of doing this.

But there is no way for me to verify that the software, all the way down to the operating system and firmware, has no hidden tracking or backdoors. Software items like the Privacy Dashboard are a nice thought but this too can be faked.

His closing remarks

So, where does that leave me? I like the phone as an Android phone. It’s well-built, and it runs smoothly and fast enough. It was easy to set up out of the box, and I even found it easy to switch SIMs around. The camera is really good, and my cursory speed tests were fine. The screen was outstanding. There are still a handful of things I need to figure out before this becomes my phone for everyday carry, but those are mostly iPhone to Android migration.

But as I mentioned, If I were, for example, a reporter writing from hostile locations, I can’t say that I would be comfortable with it. As a privacy professional, I can’t recommend it either until the items I list above are addressed. All the interviews in the world can not substitute for verification.

Open source your code, write some whitepapers, publish the audits, and write a guarantee letter from the executives that you are unaware of any back doors . Put your personal reputation on the line here.

That said, I wish Unplugged good hunting. The world needs more people who believe in the importance of privacy and have the conviction to do something about it.

At the end of his review this did intrigue me:

NOTE: Since I wrote this article, I have been in contact with someone close to the Unplugged staff. They told me that Unplugged is working on fixing the open-source and peer-review issues I mentioned, and we can expect updates in the near future.

So, I’ll leave it at that. I will just wait and see how this plays out. I will get a cheap Pixel 8a or something, or the 9a if that comes out.

Then, look at the device again in a couple of years or so and see where they are at in terms of trying to fix their image and transparency.

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Also, if you believe Unplugged to be a GPL violator, you can report them here:

In general, most GPL violations are unintentional and result from a lack of understanding of the GPL requirements. The goal of organizations like gpl-violations.org and the Free Software Foundation (FSF) is to educate violators and help them come into compliance, rather than to punish them. Only in rare cases do lawsuits become necessary to enforce the GPL terms.

Inform us about GPL Violations

We also appreciate any information you might have about potential GPL abuses / misuses. Please be as specific as possible about the particular product, it’s availability, which free software is used, …

Please report any such violations to license-violation@gpl-violations.org

I just posted this on one of my other posts. Thought you may find it useful :slight_smile: