Discord’a Voice and Video E2EE is now being hit in the experimental phase, In the video NTTS demonstrates a lot of what he can see in the experiment and in Discord Previews so things may change but so far we have seen the typical encryption ways such as verifying with the partner using codes.
Keep in mind this was reported before in techlore but people were not certain if it will happen and here we are.
My concern becomes the priorities of discord, they go out of the way to start E2EE Voice and Video hut not discord DMs? Way to go.
To be clear it’s better than no encryption of sorts but it is unlikely we will get for DMs and Group DMs. But there’s a solution I’ve downloaded and hoping it will become useful (and is maintained) called SimpleDiscordCrypt by An0 for text, it uses a protocol similar to Matrix but considering the metadata of discord, that’s the equivalent of WhatsApp (almost) but hey if you wanted it it’s an option (And of course you were okay with getting your hands dirty with modifying discord already). Do keep in mind that if SimpleDiscordCrypt gets popular it may prompt discord to take action to take it down so it’s all on you, the community has great powers coming at great risk with it…
He criticized stuff that is just normal, like the validation of encryption via codes (WhatsApp has the same system, just with qr-codes). Which can not be technically better implemented (besides some “design” things like qr-codes or overall better usability by design). He complains that E2EE is for the most people useless and at the last point he mentioned (not his own “opinion” but an uncommented quote) that discord can’t implement E2EE for chats because of child safety and that this would destroy discord user reports.
Furthermore, he is by far the biggest discord YouTuber and has with this video also an influence on the people and how they stand to the encryption of Discord — do they reject the implementation or do they want E2EE.
NTTS didn’t criticize the aspect, he just said it has a little user friendliness kind of flaw (in it’s current experimental phase). He does exaggerate indeed about how many people it will be useful but he May have meant it in the context of higher threat model but it was most needed I’ll have to agree (because in the video he mentioned about of you’re being a high threat model individual you shouldn’t use Discord and I agree)
i still wouldn’t use it considering the app is now bloated and they have started with ads. i would rather ask people to move to something like matrix so that it gets more traction and pressures discord to be a better service.
Sorry I’m not sure what you’re referring to with bloated for first things? I use the web app and it’s fine.
Second the ads problem just turns out to be just paid promotion for game developers rather than ads so no and you can opt out of it so you will not get the pop-up, it is not a permanent opt-in. (and even opt-out you can choose to do quests if you want to)
However I respect your decision I just want to make sure this is clear
Ads, no ads, malicious, non malicious, it doesn’t matter for me. Discord has been around for a long time. It is too little too late. I don’t know why anyone who thinks critically about online privacy would feel trusting of Discord after all that has happened. I don’t have to use it, unless that changes, I won’t use it and I’ll avoid using it when it means missing out on things. This is the case with many online things because trust has been broken. Hopefully one day terrible applications will fail because people don’t want to support terrible projects. It is the same with terrible politicians who get re-elected after passing laws that ensure mass surveillance. Democratic countries around the world are filled with governments that represent their people with human rights violations and in some cases illegal harm directed at the people who vote for them. It is the same with hardware and software, as long as no one is willing to switch from invasive practices and forgive people for ongoing misdeeds, then it is of little use complaining about the shortcomings of the software, the politicians, or the system that we supported and created. Continuing to support while trying to hide from it is insanity. For me, this means avoiding poorly built things such as Discord without forgiveness because I am the customer.
I had a feeling that my post pointing out that a politician in a superpower state is campaigning against mass surveillance would be taken down, and it was. I thought that because it would be too uncomfortable for people who live there to consider anything along the lines of political action against mass surveillance. I have noticed while reading this forum that it is the same when it comes to privacy and software. There is more often a conversation about how to use something while only minimizing harm when options that are not harmful exist and people are quick to defend and quick to drop all skepticism when it comes to realities that no one even knows about because not only closed sourced software but black box politics that are employed.
You vote with your usage, your usage is dollars, even if you think you are stealing from big tech, your usage is clout and promotion.
Discord, for me, has failed. I won’t use it unless it is impossible to conduct business without it.
As for my post being deleted, I got a notice that said it was because of community guidelines and had a link to them. I did not see any guideline that was violated. This is the familiar thing that many privacy “proponents” complain about and I was right, that even on a privacy forum, talking about the politics of privacy in a way that is actually meaningful at a core level is not okay. I would list other politicians who I believe are already in office and already either positive or negative for privacy, but I do not want this to also be deleted.
(And of course you were okay with getting your hands dirty with modifying discord already). Do keep in mind that if SimpleDiscordCrypt gets popular it may prompt discord to take action to take it down so it’s all on you, the community has great powers coming at great risk with it…